Showing posts with label Honda and GM partnership. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Honda and GM partnership. Show all posts

16 Jul 2013

Honda Seeks Mass-Market Fuel-Cell Car by 2020

Visitors look at a Honda FCX Clarity displayed at an expo in Tokyo on Feb. 27.
A Honda Motor Co. executive said Tuesday that the Japanese auto maker hopes to launch a reasonably priced fuel-cell car by 2020.

While that may sound a long way off, that’s actually an ambitious goal given the extremely high R&D costs associated with developing a zero-emission technology that is still nowhere near the price range of the average consumer.

“We have to lower our costs so it makes business sense to try to reach a mass market by 2020,” said Koichi Fukuo, managing officer in charge of Honda’s drive trains, in a meeting with reporters.

The price “will have to be reduced to several million yen and the upper limits (of the prices) would have to be similar to those of the premium grade vehicles in each segment,” Mr. Fukuo added.

The ambitious goal may not even be as new as it seems. While Mr. Fukuo was expressing the goal in the context of Honda’s joint development pact with General Motors Co. announced two weeks ago, a Honda engineer publicly made a similar comment eight years ago.

Yozo Kami, Honda R&D Co.’s executive chief engineer, said in 2005 that the price range of any future fuel-cell car would have to be lowered to between Y3 million and Y4 million by about 2020, citing the price range of a Honda Accord sedan. “Otherwise, the fuel-cell vehicle will disappear,” he noted.

Fuel-cell cars are powered by electricity generated through a chemical reaction between hydrogen and oxygen. As they generate no toxic exhaust gases, they are seen as highly promising zero-emission vehicles.
But the prohibitive costs of building them – about Y100 million ($1 million) a decade ago and still more than Y10 million now – and the lack of a network of hydrogen stations remain major obstacles hampering their widespread use.

Also, the fact the mass-marketing of the vehicles is still being thought of in terms of years from now rather than the present highlights how difficult it has been to commercialize this type of green car despite the fact it has few technological issues in terms of vehicle performance.

To help reduce costs, Honda is teaming up with GM as it hopes to achieve economies of scale. The U.S. auto giant has advanced know-how in analyzing chemical reactions that will be a key part of the technology used in fuel-cell cars. All the same, the two car makers will not aggressively look for other car makers to join their team and reduce costs further, Mr. Fukuo said.

“Only the two of us will work together for the time being,” he said.

Source;
http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2013/07/16/honda-seeks-mass-market-fuel-cell-car-by-2020/

2 Jul 2013

Fuel Cell Cars Back In The Limelight As GM, Honda Team Up On Mission To Attack Costs

by Joann Muller of www.forbes.com

Less than a decade ago, global automakers touted hydrogen fuel cell vehicles as the best way to reduce oil dependency and clean up the environment. But talk of fuel cells seemed to subside in recent years as other technologies like hybrids, battery-electric vehicles and even ethanol-powered cars grabbed the attention of consumers and government leaders handing out subsidies.

The two biggest hindrances to fuel cells were the costs associated with storing hydrogen on board the vehicle and the lack of hydrogen refueling stations. Plug-in cars, by comparison, are cheaper (although still too expensive for the mass market) and the charging infrastructure is building.

General Motors and Honda Motor say they never stopped working on fuel cell development, however, and now the two carmakers, with 1,200 patents between them, are teaming up to tackle these challenges and try to speed the adoption of fuel cell vehicles by 2020.

“This collaboration builds upon Honda and GM’s strengths as leaders in hydrogen fuel cell technology,” said Dan Akerson, GM chairman and CEO. “We are convinced this is the best way to develop this important technology, which has the potential to help reduce the dependence on petroleum and establish sustainable mobility.”

Takanobu Ito, president and chief executive of Honda Motor said: “Among all zero CO2 emission technologies, fuel cell electric vehicles have a definitive advantage with range and refueling time that is as good as conventional gasoline cars. Honda and GM are eager to accelerate the market penetration of this ultimate clean mobility technology, and I am excited to form this collaboration to fuse our leading fuel cell technologies and create an advanced system that will be both more capable and more affordable.”

The long-term agreement was announced today at a press conference in New York by GM Vice Chairman Stephen J. Girsky and Tetsuo Iwamura, president of American Honda Motor.

By collaborating on development, GM and Honda, already the leaders in fuel cell research, believe they can reduce costs more quickly by sharing expertise, economies of scale and suppliers. “We’re talking about a complete sharing of all our respective intellectual properties on the subject,” said Girsky.

A fuel cell vehicle creates electricity from a chemical reaction between hydrogen and oxygen in the car’s fuel-cell stack. The only tailpipe emission is water vapor.  But development costs are high because of the extensive use of platinum as a  catalyst and the complexity of onboard storage of hydrogen, which requires expensive, carbon fiber storage tanks.

“Two companies can do more together than the simple sum of our individual efforts,” said Iwamura. “GM’s knowledge of chemical reaction and advanced material is class leading,” he said. “At  Honda, we’re confident in our expertise in the structural design and advanced production process technologies of the fuel cell. With GM and Honda sharing our technical expertise… we believe we can achieve the world’s strongest partnership in the area of fuel cell technology.”

The  two companies will also work together with governments and other stakeholders to try to jump-start a new hydrogen refueling infrastructure, which he said is critical for the long-term viability and consumer acceptance of fuel cell vehicles.

The deal is the latest in a string of alliances created to share the cost of developing fuel cell vehicles.  Toyota Motor and BMW  are working together, as are Daimler AG, Ford Motor and Nissan Motor.

GM and Honda are considered pioneers, ranking first and second in the number of fuel cell patents. Both have been testing fuel cell vehicles on the roads for years. GM’s Project Driveway program, launched in 2007, has accumulated nearly 3 million miles of real-world driving in a fleet of 119 hydrogen-powered vehicles, more than any other automaker.

Honda began leasing of the Honda FCX in 2002 and has deployed 85 units in the U.S. and Japan, including its successor, the FCX Clarity, which was named the 2009 World Green Car. Honda has delivered these vehicles to the hands of customers in the U.S. and collected valuable data concerning real-world use of fuel cell electric vehicles.

As already announced, Honda plans to launch the successor of FCX Clarity in Japan and the United States in 2015, and then in Europe. GM will announce its fuel cell production plans at a later date.

Industry experts say fuel cell technology addresses many of the major challenges facing automobiles today – petroleum dependency, emissions, efficiency, range and refueling times. They can operate on renewable hydrogen made from sources like wind and biomass. The only emission from fuel cell vehicles is water vapor.
The carmakers said fuel cell vehicles can have up to 400 miles driving range, can be refueled in as little as three minutes, and the propulsion technology can be used on small, medium, and large vehicles.

Source;
http://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2013/07/02/fuel-cell-cars-back-in-the-limelight-as-gm-honda-team-up-on-mission-to-attack-costs/